interests. egypt has geographic asset. libya is a vague geographical expression between aaa ten ya in the northwest that has always been oriented toward greater carthage and tunisia and benghazi and others in the northeast which has been toward alexandria. iran has always been, because iran is natural as a state, it's developed rich institutions and bureaucracies over the centuries, and therefore it can project power. there will always be an iranian state. syria can collapse, libya can collapse. iran may go through regime change, but they'll always be a strong persian state. >> what does that tell you about u.s. policy toward iran? >> what it tells me is that our grand strategy has to be how do we engage in a dialogue with iran. what is the path toward that. is it fighting a war with them over nuclear weapons? is it not fighting a war with them? but the endgame is a dialogue with what is probably the most significant state in the middle east where we have a lot of interests to discuss. >> so the middle east you're describing is really one where the states that are real and enduring

blockade at gaza. >>> egypt has sent envoys into gaza to try to broker a truce between hamas and israel. president obama said earlier this morning that israel and hamas need to make a serious effort to work toward middle east peace starting with no more missiles being fired into israel's territory. >> there's no country on earth that would tolerate missiles raining down on its citizens from outside its borders, so we are fully supportive of israel's right to defend itself from missiles landing on people's homes. and workplaces and potentially killing civilians. >> the president is in thailand ahead of the east asian conference in cambodia. >>> divers recover the body of a man missing from the explosion in the gulf of mexico. the explosion occurred about 20 miles off the louisiana coast. one other crew member remains missing after the friday explosion that triggered a fire and injured 11 people. the cause of the explosion remains under investigation. >>> those are your top stories. now back to fareed zakar"faree " gps." >>> bill gates was the world's richest man. then he gave away billio

east you're describing is really one where the states that are real and enduring, iran, egypt. >> tunisia. >> turkey to a certain extent. >> absolutely, turkey,y. >> those are the six -- >> because they're age-old clusters of civilization with natural borders. countries like algeria, syria, libya, jordan, were never really thought of until states until the 20 ts century. >> someone once described them as tribes with flags. >> yes. yemen is a mixed bag. even the turks and the british were never able to influence their influence deep into the interior. >> all right. let's look at place where we should know more about the geography, but we don't, which is mexico and the united states. >> yes. >> when you look at this map, what do you see. >> >> whoo i see is the united states is a virtual island. canada's just a thin band of middle class civilization. 33 million people living within a hundred miles of the u.s. border. the united states's real geographic challenge is to the south where much of the border is artificial. where south of the border, you have a country that's so much p

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